Here's the transcript of the incident if anybody's interested. My mistakes are now clear to me. Phil: Hello Me: Hello Phil: Hi Me: Hi Phil: I’m Sergeant Tollefson, Springs Police Me: Hi Phil: How are you? Me: I’m ok, how are you? Phil: Can’t complain. Me: Good. Phil: The reason I stopped you is because your tags are expired. Me: Is this an emergency? (long pause) Me: Is it a crime? Phil: Yep, you’re driving with expired tags. Me: So it’s a crime? You’re saying this is criminal? Phil: I need your driver’s license, your registration, your proof of insurance. Me: Are you saying this is criminal? Phil: It’s a traffic violation in the State of Colorado Me: Is it criminal or civil? Phil: It is a criminal traffic violation. Me: Who’s the injured party? Phil: Ok, I need your license, registration and proof of insurance… Me: Who’s the injured party? Phil: Ma’am Me: I’m asking you questions, and for you not to answer is fraud. Phil: No, it’s not. Me: Yeah, it actually is. Phil: I need your license, registration and proof of insurance. Me: What’s the emergency, you’ve got flashers on? Phil: Yep, I’m stopping you for expired tags. Me: That’s not a crime. Who’s the injured party? Phil: At this point in time, you’re… Me: Who’s the injured party? Phil: ….you’re obstructing my ability to conduct a simple traffic stop. You’ll be out of here in ten minutes if you’ll show me your license, registration and proof of insurance Me: Can you show me what authority you have? What’s the law? What’s the law? Phil: Sure. I’m a sworn police officer in the City of Colorado Springs. Me: You’re a private corporation. What’s the authority? What authority do you have? What authority do you have over God? Are you God? Cuz God is my only authority. God is my only authority, brother. Whats your name? Phil: Step out of the vehicle. Me: What’s your name? Phil: Step out of the vehicle. Me: What’s your name? Phil: My name is Sergeant Tollefson. Me: What’s your first name? Phil: My name is Sergeant Phil Tollefson. Me: Phil Tollefson? Phil: Yep. Me: Ok hi Phil. I can only interact with you as a man, I cannot interact with you as a policy officer for a corporation. Phil: Ok Me: So I can talk to you man to woman here through the window, but you’re making me nervous. Phil: Good! I hope…I’m glad I’m making you nervous. Me: Well, I’m not committing a crime. Where’s the injured party? Phil: I need your license… Me: Who’s the injured party? Phil: At this point in time…. Me: For a crime, there has to be an injured party. Phil: At this point in time…. Me: Do you have a warrant for my arrest? Phil: Stop talking and listen. Me: Do you have a warrant for my arrest? (pause) Me: You don’t have the right to order me around. (Phil calls for backup) Me: I am recording this for my safety. Phil: Good, so am I. Me: Ok, that’s great, but what authority do you have? How am I obligated to you? What authority do you have? Prove your claim please. Will you please show me the law? Show me the law. Can you please prove your claim and show me the law that you have authority over me? Do you know my name? Phil: At this point in time, I’m giving you a lawful order to produce your driver’s license, registration, and proof of insurance. Me: Five thousand dollars. It’ll cost you five thousand dollars for an order. If you’re going to order me around, you cannot demand performance from me without compensation. I know the law, dude. Phil: If you fail to provide me… Me: Phil, Phil…. Phil: ….I will break your window and remove you from the car. Me: Then you’re scaring me. Phil: Ok good. Me: You’re scaring the shit out of me. You are putting me under duress. I am under duress right now. I must have bumped the camera at this point and didn't get the rest when he actually followed through on his threat, but I have enough.

Posted by RobinMarie at 2020-10-03 13:14:22 UTC